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Author Topic: for the finger pickers -- what to do about the bassline
smgear

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Post for the finger pickers -- what to do about the bassline
on: July 15, 2013, 12:38
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Just a general observation/question here about how the rest of you approach your finger picking technique with respect to maintaining a strong bass line or root. I was just listening to the rough scratch of a song I wrote the other night and realized that I was carrying a strong bass line with my thumb the entire tune. So I listed to a few other recent tunes and it seems to have become pretty central to my 'approach', though that was never intentional in my thinking. I have occasionally 'intentionally' added a bass line in the past, but now I default to a pattern of leading with the bass and then picking up the chords and lead with the little fingers. I'm not 'complaining' because it sounds pretty good, but I'm having problems mentally/muscle memory-wise doing without a deliberate bass line. I don't have many other fingerstyle recordings with me at the moment so I don't really have anything to compare it to. If I'm doing jazz comping or pure instrumental writing, then my movement is more fluid and broad, but if I'm writing something to support lyrics and melody, then including a bass line seems to be pretty ubiquitous. So I'd appreciate hearing whether or not you guys have developed any conscious or unconscious picking approaches that you default to. I've tried picking in reverse - playing the chords from the top down, and of course just voicing the chord without any special emphasis on the bass, but neither feel quite right when played behind lyrics (without any other instruments present).

I'd like to break the pattern, but I'm not sure what else to aim for. I'm not sure if carrying that anchor is a crutch or a natural part of rounding out the accompaniment.

Any thoughts?

mwseniff

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Post Re: for the finger pickers -- what to do about the bassline
on: July 15, 2013, 14:05
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I mute the lowest string with my thumb resting on the string. That stops any auto picking my thumb might be tempted to do, I guess. I have not really experienced any problem but that may be because I originally played with a thumb pick. I gave up the thumb pick because it made the notes sound too different from the finger picked strings and it made it more difficult to mute the lower strings. YMMV

Double D

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Post Re: for the finger pickers -- what to do about the bassline
on: July 15, 2013, 20:16
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When I'm performing solo I really want that steady bass accompaniment. If I'm orchestrating multiple instruments in a recording or band context, I'll simply edit out bits of my guitar part, and often use a particular weight of pick to play simplified parts in different chunks of the eq curve. If anything, I agonize about not having a steady, full enough bass part in my solo playing...

smgear

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Post Re: for the finger pickers -- what to do about the bassline
on: July 16, 2013, 02:24
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Thanks for the thoughts guys. Good stuff! I'll try muting the lower strings. I guess I've got two primary 'modes' of playing. One in the 'home rows' for roots/folk/blues types of stuff and then another on the higher frets that is mostly jazz, brazillian, whatever voicings for jazz/ballad type tunes. In the latter, I'm using lots of dominants, 9's, 11', and 13's which allow the chords to hang tightly together and therefore I don't think about the bass/root at all - or I'll add a more subtle bass line on another instrument when recording. But when I'm building around the more solid chords for the folk type stuff, then the bass line just begs me to come out. It does sound good in most cases, but it really limits the voicing options, substitutions, and rhythm that I can use because it's anchoring my left hand in place. Perhaps it's partly because I always play other instruments in band settings so I've never consciously approached the instrument as 'just one piece' of the band.

Anyways, I guess my next writing challenge will be to write a roots/folk tune without a bassline and see if I can make it work )

Double D

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Post Re: for the finger pickers -- what to do about the bassline
on: July 16, 2013, 09:38
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Perhaps its more a matter of changing up your go-to chord voicings? Maybe putting the 3rd or 5th on the bottom of the chord will tame this?

smgear

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Post Re: for the finger pickers -- what to do about the bassline
on: July 16, 2013, 11:07
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yeah, that's definitely part of it, but for those folky type chords, I think I've already stretched the voicings about as far as they can go in standard tuning. I'm walking the bass pretty independent of the root so I guess technically I'm voicing them often off other tones (though I'm not usually thinking about it consciously). I think my main self criticism is that I've confined myself to a whole rhythm/chord/fill 'style'. I think it's a common style and I'll definitely keep it in my bag, but I want to try some other approaches. So for the heck of it, I'm playing without my thumb tonight (it's evening here) and I'm liking some of what I'm getting. If I can settle on a couple patterns, I'll try putting a voice over it and see how it balances. By the way, I'm following your bass thread with great attention, but have nothing to contribute other than the fact that I've been wanting one of those for a long time....

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