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joe
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Post For Guitarists Who Play Bass
on: August 30, 2012, 09:50
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Bass players like to make fun of guitarists who think they can play bass. Which is ironic, because there's nothing funnier than bassits who think they can play guitar. 😉

Is your bass style like your guitar style? Or do you manage to assume a different musical personality? Ever play bass without a pick? Assuming you don't have the budget for lots of guitars and basses, is there one do-it-all bass that works for you?

Until recently, I viewed the P-Bass as the do-it-all bass. But dang, I've caught the J bug in a big way!

Thoughts?

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Larry

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Post Re: For Guitarists Who Play Bass
on: August 30, 2012, 10:32
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I'm more of a bass player who plays the guitar. A lot of times in a 2-guitar situation I start playing bass lines - hey, at least they're supportive. I started playing bass with a pick, due to the blister phenomenon, but in the past many years I really prefer to use my fingers. There is less cramping of the right hand compared to grasping a pick, and the bass being the visceral instrument it is, digging into those strings with your fingers is simply more satisfying. I do not pop and slap or any of that.

First bass I ever tried was a Stingray. Then a guy lent me a Rickenbacker 4001 whose tuners were coming apart, so I replaced them with something completely inappropriate. My fingers started peeling from some skin problem so I replaced the round wounds with tape wounds. Gah sacrilege! Then the guy showed up and took it back.

After that I got a Peavey J-Bass type. I like the narrow neck and really have a hard time with P-bass neck width. I put some flatwounds on that and it is mellow! My most recent bass is an OLP Stingray body style. That has a way twangier sound than the Peavey and so comes out when that is appropriate.

Finally, I have an Ernie Ball Earthwood "Factory Prototype" that I got at Gelb Music in Redwood City er, 28 years ago? Guy who sold it to me said it was previously owned by Michael Hedges but there's no way to know for sure. MH was living in Palo Alto around that time as I'd often see him walking around downtown or in a record shop. I've always thought it could be true. Anyway this has a nice acoustic "tone" and beats the pants off any acoustic bass guitar I've played since (unplugged anyway) due I'm reasonably sure to the giant body size. It can hold its own in a small acoustic jam.

Double D

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Post Re: For Guitarists Who Play Bass
on: August 30, 2012, 11:44
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I get to do a gig on bass about once every ten years, but I play it on all my demo recordings. The recording process is great for de-guitaring your bass playing. Ultimately, your bass lines function in the tunes or don't. I'm a fingers-only player except when a pick is required for proper texture, ie. garage rockers, surf tunes, punk rawk, etc.
My only bass is an Indonesian Squier J-bass and its awful. I pretty much have to roll the tone knob completely off to control it's ugly pickups. Boy, I'd love to get one of those old Tokai Jazz knockoffs, but they're worth about as much as the real thing these days...

bear

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Post Re: For Guitarists Who Play Bass
on: August 30, 2012, 13:30
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Pick for bass was always much harder for me than with guitar. Oddly enough, the only thing I've managed to get to work there has been a Jazz III -- I gather that this is exceedingly odd for bass.

No idea if I have a bass style. I have a Korean made Dearmond Pilot, roughly a copy of the older Guilds, that is much nicer than the clearance price I paid for it and that I futz around on every so often. If I were to start/join a band, I might choose to give bass a go because I'm more in tune with the instrument as a listener now than I ever was before. Problem is that attrocious bass technique sticks out like a sore thumb.

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rsgoldfish

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Post Re: For Guitarists Who Play Bass
on: August 30, 2012, 22:16
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Being a college student, I am surrounded by scads of terrible guitarists(much like myself). No one wants to play bass in the band, so I have gotten thrown into a number of gigs as a bassist. I'm not a great bassist, and I know that. My lines are simple and unimaginative, but I've found a great freedom in such a neglected position. Around here, noone pays attention to you ever, which has led to some of the funnest and most stress-free gigs I've played. I just got to really enjoy the music without fear of failure or rejection(a personal failure of mine).

I'm a pick man through and through on the guitar, but bass goes to the fingers. It just feels wrong to use a pick to me. I like to feel the thick strings when I'm laying down the beat.

My favorite bass to play so far has been my brother's(a real, live bassist) ESP Ltd. The neck is silky smooth and eminently playable. My ear for bass tone is sadly lacking, but I liked the sounds that came out of it. It's beautiful, to boot.

guitarify

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Post Re: For Guitarists Who Play Bass
on: September 3, 2012, 16:30
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I've always played the bass like it was a guitar. But recently as I have been writing and recording a lot more, I have been frustrated by my lack of versatility on the bass. SO I bought a video series by Stu Hamm and have really been having fun playing with my fingers. It changes how I approach a bassline a lot.
And as I've been playing more, my slipped-disc-riddled back has not been happy. My old 80's Epiphone Powerbass feels like it ways about 20lbs.
I started looking at hollow and shortscale basses and ended up with an EastWood copy of the Hofner Club Bass. It's hollow and shortscale, and only weighs 5lbs! It's lighter then most of my guitars. But I love the tone. It can easily get that McCartney sound, plus much more. I haven't learned to slap and pop yet, so not sure how suited it is for that. But I do plan on getting another one, or something similar and making it fretless.

Oinkus

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Post Re: For Guitarists Who Play Bass
on: September 4, 2012, 03:45
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I place my thumb at the first joint of my index finger and use it like a pick.Play way too many notes and generally follow the root or just assault the poor unfortunate bass.I have a 90s Ernie Ball Musicman Stingray of a friends and his old Trace Elliot series 6 combo which make the most wonderful sounds together. Got to love a solid state bass amp !

mwseniff

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Post Re: For Guitarists Who Play Bass
on: September 4, 2012, 07:42
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Quote from Oinkus on September 4, 2012, 03:45
I place my thumb at the first joint of my index finger and use it like a pick.Play way too many notes and generally follow the root or just assault the poor unfortunate bass.I have a 90s Ernie Ball Musicman Stingray of a friends and his old Trace Elliot series 6 combo which make the most wonderful sounds together. Got to love a solid state bass amp !

The Traces sound great but i have seen some very scary failure modes. I had one in for repair because it was smoking and had no output. There was a hole burned thru the board yet the fuse never blew. They also failed to use flameproof resistors so there was nasty residue all over the chassis. The heatsink had gotten so hot it actually welded some of the screws in place. I would always unplug it before i left home if owned one so it would not burn my house down. But as you say they sound great and I have heard bassists use them live with great tones.

mwseniff

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Post Re: For Guitarists Who Play Bass
on: September 4, 2012, 07:53
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Quote from joe on August 30, 2012, 09:50
Bass players like to make fun of guitarists who think they can play bass. Which is ironic, because there's nothing funnier than bassits who think they can play guitar. 😉

Is your bass style like your guitar style? Or do you manage to assume a different musical personality? Ever play bass without a pick? Assuming you don't have the budget for lots of guitars and basses, is there one do-it-all bass that works for you?

Until recently, I viewed the P-Bass as the do-it-all bass. But dang, I've caught the J bug in a big way!

Thoughts?

I started on bass but switched to guitar. I was heavily influenced by bassist Jack Casady of Jefferson Airplane/Hot Tuna/Moon Alice. My guitar fingerpicking style and use of melody come from him (he makes a big melody bass cloud for the vocals to sit on). I mostly play fretless bass when I play. I have an extra long scale fretless Washburn bass from the 80's that I got for $65 bucks including S&H of Ebay. It's a bit neck heavy has a brass nut and bridge but plays like a dream and sounds great.

jeremy

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Post Re: For Guitarists Who Play Bass
on: September 4, 2012, 10:59
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I remember an interview from Tina Weymouth where she mentioned that while some of the other Talking Heads might play a bit of bass on the records here and there, there was no way that they were real bass players because they hadn't acquired the physical strength to be able to play it properly.

My own thought it that there have been some great bass playing guitarists - like Noel Redding always thought himself a guitarist and only picked up bass to be able to join Hendrix; and a particular favourite of mine - King Roeser of Urge Overkill - is a guitarist first and foremost, but as UO were a three-piece, had to become the bass player - but what a great bass player!

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