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joe
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Post Germanium: Does the Transistor Model Matter?
on: November 28, 2012, 11:38
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Here's my take:

a) Germanium transistors have genuinely unique tonal properties not available from newer transistors. (It's practically the only component where I buy into the "vintage voodoo" stuff.)

b) There are a lot of old transistors that have either "gone off," or never worked that well in the first place.

But after a few years of playing with the things, I'm amazed by the extent to which all properly functioning germanium transistors sound similar. I just don't hear anything exceptional about the coveted/rare/expensive parts vs. more commonly available models like the AC128. All properly functioning germanium transistors sound great to me.

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Post Re: Germanium: Does the Transistor Model Matter?
on: November 28, 2012, 14:32
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Just a question... in your applications, is the Ge transistor the first thing that the signal hits coming out of your guitar? Other than maybe a coupling capacitor?

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Post Re: Germanium: Does the Transistor Model Matter?
on: November 28, 2012, 14:36
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What I gather matters most is hfe and that there is some leakage or they are harder to bias right. R.G. Keen's Geofex site has some details on selecting and using germs. I think it was there that it was pointed out that while there are germ NPNs, the quality isn't as good, so positive grounding could be easier than sourcing and selecting a good one.

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Post Re: Germanium: Does the Transistor Model Matter?
on: November 29, 2012, 12:00
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Quote from Digital Larry on November 28, 2012, 14:32
Just a question... in your applications, is the Ge transistor the first thing that the signal hits coming out of your guitar? Other than maybe a coupling capacitor?

Most often, right after the coupling cap — your basic Rangemaster topology. But I've also tried germanium transistors in any position in multiple-transistor circuits, because I've been convinced that a lot of two- and three-transistor designs from the ’60s sound as good (and usually better) with a mix of Si and Ge.

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Post Re: Germanium: Does the Transistor Model Matter?
on: November 29, 2012, 12:07
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Quote from bear on November 28, 2012, 14:36
What I gather matters most is hfe and that there is some leakage or they are harder to bias right. R.G. Keen's Geofex site has some details on selecting and using germs. I think it was there that it was pointed out that while there are germ NPNs, the quality isn't as good, so positive grounding could be easier than sourcing and selecting a good one.

Yeah, that's my experience. I don't build any postivie-ground stuff, but I use the "flip the circuit" trick to deploy PNP transistors, like in this site's Fiendmaster project. (Some, even Keen, IIRC, warn against this method, but I think it works and sounds great, and a lot of other builders seem to agree.)

A couple of years ago I was buying NPN Germanium transistors from Small Bear. After purchasing a dozen or so, they cut me off! Steve said they were in such short supply that he wanted to conserve them, so that every player who wanted to build an NPN fuzz could have a chance. Fair enough.

But now (as discussed in this thread, there are suddenly a lot of germanium transistors on the market — even NPNs, like this one from Mammoth, I haven't tried those yet, but I've tried a lot of the NPNs, and they all sound fab!

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Post Re: Germanium: Does the Transistor Model Matter?
on: January 3, 2013, 10:20
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https://gizmodo.com/5972760/germanium-transistors-are-four-times-faster-than-todays

Here is an article about a whole new generation of germanium based x-sistors. Supposed to be 4 times faster than current silicon types. That might be good for audio as faster devices always seemed to sound better. BTW Gizmodo is a great consolidator blog, I've been reading it for years.

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